April 10, 2011

Aeroflot, computer says no/нет!

In December we had an ill fated trip to Egypt, a very Russian destination. Egypt was fine, we were not eaten by sharks or blown up, however getting there was like trying to fly to the moon wearing only your underpants and a smile.

The flight was delayed for 32 hours! Not fun but combine delays with a cigarette smoked filled airport, drunks, no seats and crying toddlers/babies and you get a recipe from hell. I am surprised they have not tried this system at Guantánamo Bay as a form of torture. Maybe they have?

The Aeroflot flight to Egypt was delayed and the plane had 'technical' problems i.e the pilot was probably drunk. We did eventually get to Egypt and got back but we wanted our pound of flesh and compensation from the airline. It's a long story, (see Snow to sand- Moscow to Sharm El Sheikh) if you want before you read this but its not vital to the plot here.

In January this year, we heard from a Russian friend that we could claim back some money from Aeroflot. We filled in the Aeroflot claim form, took our form and flight tickets stubs to a main Aeroflot office and waited and waited for news. By mid March we finally had an email from Aeroflot, telling us that we could claim back 125 euro each on our tickets and that we had to use the tickets vouchers by December this year. This email voucher ticket promise came from the main Aeroflot office, the email had no reference number on it and only said we could get back money on our delayed flight. The main office told us to collect the vouchers from their other office by the river where the metro station is closed for renovation and the only way of getting there is to walk.

April came and last weekend we took this golden precious email, by hand and on foot, down roads and up stairs to the Aeroflot office by the river to get our money back flight vouchers. A grumpy woman at the Aeroflot office informed us that the offer had expired two weeks before and that we could not get out free tickets. However, the email that we got from the main Aeroflot office did not say this rather vital information or we would have gone before to get our flight vouchers! We walked home annoyed and ticketless (without any tickets). On Monday we called the main Aeroflot office that had told us we could get money back and told them what had happened at their other office. They told us it was their 'mistake' and that we could get our free flight vouchers from their office by the river, the same office that had rejected us when we tried to get our flight vouchers. I hope you understand the story so far?

Put simply: Aeroflot ticket claim formula

1 One office says = Yes, you can have money back but does not tell the customer about the expiry date to claim it back.
2 Another office says = No when the customer tries to claim back the money based on what the other office had said.
3 The office that said yes, says yes again (see 1).
4 Customer goes back to the office that said no, waits and finally gets ticket vouchers.
5 Time from first claiming to getting back money on delayed flight = About 4 months, many phone calls and several walking trips to the Aeroflot office.

Today, on Sunday a week later after our first ticket attempt, we went down to Aeroflot by the river with our passports and only a verbal promise from the girl at the main Aeroflot office that told us we could collect our ticket vouchers. When we got to Aeroflot, they did not believe us and told us the offer had expired. 'Yes' we said "we know that ' we told them 'but didn't the other office call you?" "No" they said. What happened to communication between Aeroflot offices? A different Grumpy woman tried to call the girl at the main Aeroflot office, that had told us we could have our flight tickets but she was on holiday! Our grumpy women then spent two hours looking blankly at her computer screen for a fucking reference of this alleged 'promise' of three flight vouchers. My blood was boiling and I could feel my right eye beginning to twitch, as I fought to entertain and control my kid, while my poor wife sat and waited to hear from our Aeroflot grumpy woman, if our tickets were to be a reality or were just some delusional fantasy, told to us by another woman, at another Aeroflot office!

Finally, feeling very jaded, we left Aeroflot with three ticket vouchers worth 125 euro each to be used before Christmas this year to anywhere in Europe. We had to sign many forms, the grumpy woman took countless photocopies of our passports but in the end we got what we needed. A victory to us. I can think of better ways to spend a Sunday morning. It pays to persevere in Russia! Don't accept нет. 125 euro (90 GBP) for 32 hours of hell is not a lot but better than a slap round the face with a wet fish. At least we can visit another country and get out of Moscow for a weekend which is worth more than any gold.

My point in telling you this dear reader, is I am sure that in the UK, this process would be a lot easier and faster. After complaining and being told you could have money back on a flight or flights, you would be sent an email with a voucher reference number with a valid expiry date. You would then go to the fight ticket office or go online, book your flight, enter in your money back voucher code and get your flight with its reduction. Simple, easy, hassle free. It would be achieved in moments not in months.

I have noticed a few things about Russia. One, they love filling in forms in triplicate and rubber stamping things and two they don't seem to have heard of the strange foreign concept of 'customer service' and business reputation, perhaps this is an historic problem to Russia? Know your customer rights, although in Russia I am not so sure that 'rights' make much difference. Perhaps we were just unlucky? I like to think that not all customer care experience in Russia is the same as we experienced with Aeroflot.

Read similar stories from others here:

Moscow blog 
Media report 
Airline customer policy in Europe
Your rights on compensation 

19 comments:

  1. Congratulations for winning over bloody offices :) For a ticket to Europe 125 euro - good amount of money.
    It isn't common in Russia to serve your customer as good as possible. Its roots in soviet times. People were buying what they offered, good or bad, and they didn't complain becouse the result would be the same: buy it or go outdors without anything. So russian companies are still learning the sciece of customer care :)

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  2. Actually, it's not about Russia, it's about Aeroflot company customer service. Try another one company, compare them and post! It would be interesting! As to Aeroflot, it's really old soviet company, but the biggest in air transportation business.

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  3. Hi Mirrussia are you saying Aeroflot is bad and not customer service in Russia? I'm not sure I understand your reply.

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  4. Sorry :)
    I meant than Aeroflot has really bad customer service.
    By the way, my name is Vladimir Zakharov. I'am living hehe in Moscow too.
    I like you blog.

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  5. Hi Vladimir Now I understand. I agree with you. The company seems to be very badly run. Are you a dad too?

    We did at least get some money back from them and will use it for a flight later only I hope there are no delays next time !!! :-(

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  6. Actually, I'am not.

    I had experienced almost the same while i had flown to Andorra. 5 hours delay, annoying.

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  7. Aeroflot is really a rubbish company, I agree with Vladimir. Last month, when my father was in France, they moved his departure from Valencia to Frankfurt and thus stolen 1,5 day of holiday.

    But Transaero also have delays as well as S7. Every company may have schedule problems. The matter of fact is attitude to its passangers. According to my expirience only Transaero was not so bad)

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  8. I've noticed that you'd changed the blog name? Am I right or just not attentive?)

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  9. Yes you are right.

    When I got a dot com address man was not free so I chose dad but since I am a dad in Moscow it made sense to change it from English man in Moscow to English dad in Moscow!! :-)

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  10. I've always thought that you've called your blog by analogy with Sting's song "I'm an alien, I'm an English man in New York". I've tiped "man" instead of "dad" in address line in my browser, there is now such blog. Somebody has just stolen it from you)))) Dad is more meaningfull =)

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  11. Never mind, a name is just a name its what's inside that counts !! :-)

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  12. Yeah, I do agree with you :)) I've tiped "aeroflot" in search and found this:
    http://mytopgear.ru/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/jeremy-clarkson-aeroflot-t-shirt.jpg

    I wonder how he commented this title =D There should be some jokes or mockeries about Aeroflot T-shirt))

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  13. Clarkson my hero. I think you mean typed not tiped. Just helping with English :-)

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  14. Oh, yes, typing on keyboard, thanks) I hope I don't do a lot of mistakes)
    I like him too, especially his fabulous metaphors. He has opinion about everything, rather unusual opinion sometimes) Have you read his "World according to Clarkson"? I laughed a lot while reading this) That's why I asked you month ago where to buy newspapers in Moscow, I wanted to read his new columns)

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  15. "I like to think that not all customer care experience in Russia is the same as we experienced with Aeroflot"- don't be naive that's true for all Russian service!! And esp for government service system....And changes would be not during our life time :D

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  16. Mary Russians read this blog so I try to be respectful of their countrty but I tend to agree with you.

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  17. I have two to add:
    Blender bought before Christmas stopped working on second use. Go to shop queue for one hour waiting for the manager. Get crappy piece of paper with stamp on it. Sent away from the shop to repair centre. Queue of people 10 in front, one repair man. Two hours later blender taken. Weekly calls to check on repair three months later told part still not arrived so we can have our money back, the part was never going to arrive. Wait for crappy piece of paper with a stamp on it. Back to shop wait 30 mins for manager. Give explicit instructions not to put money back onto my old card as it had been stolen. Three weeks later money transferred to old stolen card.

    Car battery
    New car battery installed in car. Three months later car does not start. Take battery back. Told must wait for the "expertise" guy. Told in the meantime to buy another more expensive battery. (Why would I want two batteries, or did they expect me to give up?) Expertise guy will take three weeks. Ask what I should do until then. Told buy another battery. Not to be beaten I parked my car at work and used a driver for three weeks. Finally after expertise battery found to be knackered. Bought a more expensive battery.

    Some would say why bother but when the system is geared to break you, to make you spend more money, to make it as difficult as possible to win even though you are right, it becomes a challenge.

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  18. Shaun you are funny. Sounds like something from a black comedy. Nightmare.... but I think we now accept these irritating ways in Russia. We must either laugh or go nuts. I chose to laugh.:-)

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  19. hahaha...it's so fun to read your blog AND comments! i just came back from moscow. i can't agree more with the situation with the car battery. my observations:
    - time has no value in russia. 2-3 months is not a long term
    - customer service is non-existant
    - you can not do business over the phone nor you can do it over the internet. you have to present your face at a window with a grupmy-looking lady whose job is to say "nyet"
    - russians have no problems with any of the above.

    cheers!

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