September 28, 2010

Meat & two veg, role expectations

I few weeks ago I was at a park in Moscow with the heir to my fortune. He was standing at the bottom of a slide looking up. At the top of the slide was an older boy of about four, holding a plastic truck that he wanted to send down the slide. I felt a bit afraid as if he sent it down (as much fun as it would be) , it would hit my son in the face, so I told the boy (in English) to wait. His Russian mother heard me and said in perfect English "he is not stupid, he won't send it down the slide" . I felt embarrassed but also indignant as how could I know he would not do it? I was just protecting my son from an accident. After all, kids are kids and they can be well behaved or total hooligans.

I got chatting with this Russian mum. She spoke perfect English and seemed nice. She explained to me she had three kids and an English husband. We chatted for a long time, it was so nice for me to be able to talk to another person and parent as I often go to the park and sit alone, ex communicated and cut off from the other parents all of which are Russian and mums or nannies of the kids that play there. I asked her if I could have her mobile number and she gave it to me. I felt happy, as I am always keen to meet new people and make new friends for me and my son. The fact that this person was female was not important to me.

I sent her a text later asking her if she wanted to meet there another time. Then to my surprise, I had a text back saying her husband 'would not like it' and could I not text her! This amazed me as I was only trying to be friendly. A week later I invited another parent (a mum) to my place for coffee after she had emailed me asking to meet me. She accepted my invite then the next day sent me an abrupt text saying she had no time to come and sorry. I found this a bit odd. Was she also afraid of her husbands reaction?

I have meat and two veg, I am male, 'me cave man'. I am no demi god, I am in my 40's, although not pig ugly! Was it my gender or maybe they just did not like me? I will never know. Why should my gender be an issue if it was indeed my gender? Were their husbands the jealous types? Why do women marry jealous men? I was jealous when I was younger and dumped by ex girlfriends because of my jealousy, why do these women tolerate it? Why do people have role stereotypes? Why are men expected to be the providers? We live in difficult hard times, couples do what they can to adapt and survive. Roles have become blurred and changed. I miss work and would happily provide for my family, but life circumstances have not allowed that to happen. I have a sense of shame and guilt but my wife's career has taken us abroad and the pay is good. I wish it were different. Not because of roles expectations but because I feel useless. I would change it tomorrow if I could, if only to give my wife a deserved break from the grind of work.

Being a stay at home dad in another country, in a big strange city, is lonely, it can be very tough, each day is hard. Trying to make friends with other people and other people who are parents and the opposite sex is also rather tough. Stay at home dads go against expected 'norms' and against expected roles. Women in some expat parent groups allow men into their groups but at the same time keep a healthy distance and keep within their own hen circles, the male roosters are allowed in to peck at the corn scraps.It not so unlike the animal kingdom between males and females.

I do miss male company but I only usually mix with women here that I do not know (or know very well), apart from a greeting nod or acknowledgment at the play ground and I cannot peck the corn with them as I am cave man and don't speak their language, in every sense of the word. Perhaps males and females are very different creatures in thought and expectation. An interesting sociological issue, nest ce pas?

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12 comments:

  1. Hi there. As for husbands jealousy - they are really jealous you see (and your example proved that well -(you meet a woman her husband is an Englishman -so there's no matter what country any husband is from))). I think that your "Fatherloneliness" is because of you. be more precise -because of your unwish to talk to parents their language. As far as i see my virtual friend -you got a great idea - you principally don't want to learn Russian - you make a fence by your own hands!!! You feel lonely, no people to talk to and make no efforts to understand that people. My advice is start studying russian. and begin to speak to people maybe this is the way to get out of the boring and lonely state of being??? Of course your's geniously lonely in such a state - expat'n'homedad - this is a very rare situation. so you're a unique person!!! (be proud of it!!) hope i'll meet you some day we'll sit up and talk a bit!! Sincerelly, OPleg The Ubiquitous

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  2. Oleg I don't want to earn Russian its too hard and I will not be here for more than a few years. I am not good at languages.

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  3. Sympathies--People are often afraid of each other and it is hard to find a group where we feel we belong. Sometimes hobbies are a good source of friendship. I know someone who found a great community in the amateur radio (ham radio) activities and groups all over the world--kind of like the blogs. I also know people who found groups they enjoy through this site that shows listings worldwide.
    http://www.meetup.com/cities/ru/moscow/
    Good luck, there are friends available for everyone, but it is hard to find them sometimes.

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  4. RJ Thanks for the link. I think I have seen that site before. I'll check it out. I prefer to meet others naturally (but that is proving hard in this mega city) I suppose the online way is an alternative solution.... sadly.

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  5. Russia isn't actually that hard, despite what the Russians might have everyone believe. A few years is more than enough to be able to speak. It's a pity you don't even want to try...

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  6. Anonymous I am dyslexic and could not read or write till my mid 20's and only took a degree in my late 20's English is hard for me. I hate languages and find them very hard. I have no plan to learn Russian. It enough for me to to learn the Alphabet.

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  7. Hello there!

    Don't blame yourself for loneliness in this city. Moscow is a sort of cities with emotionally closed people. I have been living here for 6 years and learned some rules.

    Moscow has it's own rules which you better learn to feel yourself comfortable:

    1) Normally I would not accept invitation to visit smb's home if I just met the person.
    2) It is better to invite both parents to join you for dinner or for a restaurant or party with the note about expenses - who will pay etc. Depending what is comfortable for you.

    3) If you making new friends first of all try to meet them on public for the first several times.

    4) If people don't ask you personal questions avoid to think that they are not interested in you. Why? It is not common in Moscow to ask new friends or people you jst meet about personal stuff. It is better pick neutral subject - about weather, hobbies, places you like to visit or try to find common interests. Also to ask advices - also good idea.

    5) If you want to go out more frequently you better be proactive with people. Only really old friends would invite you themselves.

    Enjoy your time in Moscow! And feel free to ask me any questions.
    Katerina Karitskaya.
    www.rdt-club.com

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  8. Hi Katerina Karitskaya

    Thanks for your kind and helpful advice maybe we can meet one day??? I'll follow your advice and look at the website.

    As a dad and parent in the "expat kids environment" not many women want to be friendly these are mostly my fellow Brits. Is it because I am a man? becuase they don't like me? becuase they are British (which tend to be cold), or because its a big city? I will never know the truth. I am talkative and friendly but it does not seem to help here.

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  9. Hi! I moved to Moscow a month ago with my husband a 13 month old son. I used to have a full time job but am now getting used to the stay at home bit and in a new city with stairs everywhere- what is it with this city and stairs? Anyway, I would gladly meet you for a coffee or park visit as I do miss being able to have a conversation that is more than head nodding! My son and I were in the park the other day and he stole a Russian child's truck and wouldn't let it go without having a complete screaming fit but all I could do was nod apologetically to the mother of the child and then try and wrestle my child to the ground to remove said truck... Oh what fun! I do want to learn Russian but at the moment all I can do is nod and point. Well, you've got to start somewhere....

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  10. Hi Spooks contact me anytime via the email address on here.

    ....or leave your email here and I'll contact you. Hang in there, us mums and dads must help each other since we are living here. It takes time but you will get used to it.

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  11. Dear English man in Moscow :)

    I'm going to tell you one possible thing about why do Russian ladies are not normally agreeing meeting you. I'm not saying my point is the only cause, but some could really think this:
    Russian girls are used to be taken as an easy women. It does not mean they do look like one, but there is a stupid stereotype we all are a prostitutes.

    I felt it many-many-many times living in Europe. It's the most disgusting thing... Imagine a young girl with a bike, wearing long (!) squirt, comfy shoes, with long hairs, no make up and in a company of a male friend in the middle of European capital. And guess what? A man in his 40s coming and asking 'for how much?', meaning exactly she is a prostitute... And that is only because he heard a bit of her Mom's mobile phone call! Or another example. You are a young woman, trying to get a simple tourist visa to come to EU. You would be asked to explain why are you not a prostitute at the embassy. Just imagine that! An officier asks for 15 minutes explanation...

    A lot (really a lot!) of men come here for sexual adventures. And a lot of girls, that are not at all easy are struggling from this stereotype. We are simple aware most of expats would try to make a move once... That's why some girls (not their 'jealous' husbands) stop correspondance, calls and interacting to prevent this possible finish.

    You must know not all Russian girls want to make love with foreigners. But a lot of us expect foreigners to make a move seeing an easy sex and try to go out of uncomfortable situation :) We are proud and it's normal for European ladies. So why not for Russians? :) Katerina was so right pointing you better meet lady's husband too and after that most of worries would fly away! :)

    Peace&Love
    Masha

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  12. Pace & Love to Thanks Masha. I agree with you but I think a LOT of girls here want to have sex with and get involved with a foreign man if he is handsome and with money as they want a good life.

    I know many Russian women in their late 20's married to American men who are in their late 40's !!

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